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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using the New Dungeon system is by far the single best way to farm the new Emblem of Triumph.  I get groups faster, I get better quality players since the system tries to group you with others with like gear scores.  Full Teir 9, thank you blizz

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using the New Dungeon system is by far the single best way to farm the new Emblem of Triumph.  I get groups faster, I get better quality players since the system tries to group you with others with like gear scores.  Full Teir 9, thank you blizz</p>
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		<title>By: Noffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Im happy if we can play a game together again  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Im happy if we can play a game together again  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Tipa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Noffin -- I&#039;m just so happy whenever I hear from you :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Noffin &#8212; I&#8217;m just so happy whenever I hear from you :)</p>
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		<title>By: Noffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats all I get ????   just !!!!!    silly lil rogue,   whos your favorite rogue buddy of all time???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats all I get ????   just !!!!!    silly lil rogue,   whos your favorite rogue buddy of all time???</p>
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		<title>By: QuintenWolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuintenWolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well.. crafting aside, most people just farm mats and sell in the AH.  All you have to do is spend the gold.  If what Blizzard is releasing about Cataclysm is true..... it will be a Cataclysm for all the RPG, Lore gamers... It will be a glorified PVP, FPS... all you do is PvP.. quests will have no connection or content worthy of any storyline.

Revisiting the past, &#039;reliving&#039; the past... is never a good idea.. the only way to go is forward....  Wow is going a significant step backwards.  Making the same mistakes other MMO&#039;s have done, and failed... but.. there is always some moron, trying to ice skate up hill...  Just like Socialism... someone always thinks they can do it better.... then reality beats them with a &quot;Clue-by-four&quot;, and they fail...... epic fail...

My Wife and I actually loaded up Everquest 2... amazingly... well.. so far, we&#039;re entertained... Lets see what it does when we hit our 20&#039;s..   its day 1 of our 14 day trial...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well.. crafting aside, most people just farm mats and sell in the AH.  All you have to do is spend the gold.  If what Blizzard is releasing about Cataclysm is true&#8230;.. it will be a Cataclysm for all the RPG, Lore gamers&#8230; It will be a glorified PVP, FPS&#8230; all you do is PvP.. quests will have no connection or content worthy of any storyline.</p>
<p>Revisiting the past, &#8216;reliving&#8217; the past&#8230; is never a good idea.. the only way to go is forward&#8230;.  Wow is going a significant step backwards.  Making the same mistakes other MMO&#8217;s have done, and failed&#8230; but.. there is always some moron, trying to ice skate up hill&#8230;  Just like Socialism&#8230; someone always thinks they can do it better&#8230;. then reality beats them with a &#8220;Clue-by-four&#8221;, and they fail&#8230;&#8230; epic fail&#8230;</p>
<p>My Wife and I actually loaded up Everquest 2&#8230; amazingly&#8230; well.. so far, we&#8217;re entertained&#8230; Lets see what it does when we hit our 20&#8242;s..   its day 1 of our 14 day trial&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bhagpuss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhagpuss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. One more thought, though. The lion&#039;s share of crafting mats are still outdoors, aren&#039;t they? That could be...interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. One more thought, though. The lion&#8217;s share of crafting mats are still outdoors, aren&#8217;t they? That could be&#8230;interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Bhagpuss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhagpuss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what I don&#039;t understand, too. The whole Cataclyslm thing is being promoted on the idea of seeing all the old lands revamped and renewed. Then ahead of that they add this system which looks set fair to remove any need or desire to step out of a capital city.

When EQ added Plane of Knowledge it completely changed the game. Soon players who understood the geography of Norrath were in a minority. The entire centre of gravity in the game moved to PoK, where it remained for several years until further transportation changes moved it into the Guild Lobby.

Those changes were nowhere near as radical as the WoW Dungeon Finder. This new change effectively turns WoW into Guild Wars; a set of Instances with a Facility Hub. Except it&#039;s even more extreme, because you can get to any dungeon from anywhere. 

Well, you DO still have to level to 15th, which is going to make a couple of the very low dungeons somewhat inversely elite. Apart from that, though, the only reason most players will leave town now is for the very rare &quot;essential&quot; quest. 

I wonder if this was Blizzard&#039;s intent, or whther they have something up their sleeve that will force (or bribe) players to come out and experience the Cataclysm. Becasue if they don&#039;t it stands a good chance of being the Cataclysm nobody noticed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what I don&#8217;t understand, too. The whole Cataclyslm thing is being promoted on the idea of seeing all the old lands revamped and renewed. Then ahead of that they add this system which looks set fair to remove any need or desire to step out of a capital city.</p>
<p>When EQ added Plane of Knowledge it completely changed the game. Soon players who understood the geography of Norrath were in a minority. The entire centre of gravity in the game moved to PoK, where it remained for several years until further transportation changes moved it into the Guild Lobby.</p>
<p>Those changes were nowhere near as radical as the WoW Dungeon Finder. This new change effectively turns WoW into Guild Wars; a set of Instances with a Facility Hub. Except it&#8217;s even more extreme, because you can get to any dungeon from anywhere. </p>
<p>Well, you DO still have to level to 15th, which is going to make a couple of the very low dungeons somewhat inversely elite. Apart from that, though, the only reason most players will leave town now is for the very rare &#8220;essential&#8221; quest. </p>
<p>I wonder if this was Blizzard&#8217;s intent, or whther they have something up their sleeve that will force (or bribe) players to come out and experience the Cataclysm. Becasue if they don&#8217;t it stands a good chance of being the Cataclysm nobody noticed.</p>
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		<title>By: Tipa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Noffin - !!!!!

@Quinten - I was in an Uldaman group last night, and one of the people there admitted he didn&#039;t even know where Uldaman WAS. I&#039;ve more or less stopped doing quests, anyway. I just run around in Ironforge until I get assigned to a dungeon. It teleports me there, and after brings me right back to Ironforge so I can AH whatever loot I won. I never have to take a step out of the city.

Just like the BGs.

Is it cheapening WoW? I don&#039;t know. WoW has increasingly focused more on the game aspects than the world aspects of the game. I can&#039;t even imagine what Cataclysm will bring, for as it stands now, the newbie lands could vanish entirely and few people would notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Noffin &#8211; !!!!!</p>
<p>@Quinten &#8211; I was in an Uldaman group last night, and one of the people there admitted he didn&#8217;t even know where Uldaman WAS. I&#8217;ve more or less stopped doing quests, anyway. I just run around in Ironforge until I get assigned to a dungeon. It teleports me there, and after brings me right back to Ironforge so I can AH whatever loot I won. I never have to take a step out of the city.</p>
<p>Just like the BGs.</p>
<p>Is it cheapening WoW? I don&#8217;t know. WoW has increasingly focused more on the game aspects than the world aspects of the game. I can&#8217;t even imagine what Cataclysm will bring, for as it stands now, the newbie lands could vanish entirely and few people would notice.</p>
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		<title>By: QuintenWolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuintenWolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I left EQ1 and watched Sony/Verant make everyone the same, using Class Balancing and destroying the uniqueness... making everyone the same pretty much, and making it WAAAAY to easy.. 

SOo, I leave to play World of Warcraft, new, nice, easy to play.. not a big learning curve since I had played EQ since beta....  And now... Cataclysm ...pretty simply.. Every race, can be pretty much any class... OH!  and we get to have Archimonde back (who&#039;s been pretty much dead since Warcraft III), as well as the whole world gets ripped apart and changed, and we have the return of the Highborne...  blah blah blah...  Class Balancing again!!  &quot;Make everyone Special, therefore no one is.&quot;  .... It will destroy wow like it destroyed pretty much every MMO I played since Meridian 59. (which, btw was the first Graphical MMO even if it was only a pseudo 3d and 100+ people would tax the servers).

Honestly.. it was all the kiddies and PvP whiners..  Horde gets Shamans!!!  Alliance has Paladins!!!.... Should have left that alone...  Now, everyone can be everything, and Blizzard takes an old Black and White photo ..... Cleans it up, colors it, and calls it &quot;New and Improved&quot;.

Nice idea about a &quot;Queue&quot; system for Dungeons.   On an entire server full of 80&#039;s.. No one wanted to run with my level 63 to do Ramps...  Or Blood Furnace, or run through some &quot;lesser&quot; content.   And.. I was tired of the same old quest grind, on the same route as everyone else.  I leveled my toons to 80, and heard about Cataclysm...  Read the ripping up of the lore, class balancing.... and essentially... lost my hope that WoW would avoid the stupidity that Social Engineering (Make everyone the same, so no one feels left out) is the way to go.

No more challenge!!  No more effort!!  Oh!  Here&#039;s your mount, at level 30 (used to be 40) and your epic mount at 40 (used to be 50).. no.. thats tooo hard for you, lets make it 20 and you can get your epic at 30 now... And.. all you paladins and warlocks who had to get groups to quest with you to get your Epics.... that is no longer a problem!!  We give you a SPELL and you can summon now..

Pretty soon... you want have to know how to get anywhere in the game(s)... you just have to click on this certain stone, and POOF!  you&#039;re there!

boring, and only plays on the lazy a$$ immidiate gratification kiddies, who want something for nothing... who can&#039;t get up off the game to go let the dogs out, take the trash out.. 

Nope.. Seeing Cataclysm, seeing the destruction of the lore and the Class Balancing crap... I quit playing WoW.  Anything that takes the challenge out, bores me and if its not challenging and takes a little thought and effort... Well... I&#039;m just not that freakin, lazy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left EQ1 and watched Sony/Verant make everyone the same, using Class Balancing and destroying the uniqueness&#8230; making everyone the same pretty much, and making it WAAAAY to easy.. </p>
<p>SOo, I leave to play World of Warcraft, new, nice, easy to play.. not a big learning curve since I had played EQ since beta&#8230;.  And now&#8230; Cataclysm &#8230;pretty simply.. Every race, can be pretty much any class&#8230; OH!  and we get to have Archimonde back (who&#8217;s been pretty much dead since Warcraft III), as well as the whole world gets ripped apart and changed, and we have the return of the Highborne&#8230;  blah blah blah&#8230;  Class Balancing again!!  &#8220;Make everyone Special, therefore no one is.&#8221;  &#8230;. It will destroy wow like it destroyed pretty much every MMO I played since Meridian 59. (which, btw was the first Graphical MMO even if it was only a pseudo 3d and 100+ people would tax the servers).</p>
<p>Honestly.. it was all the kiddies and PvP whiners..  Horde gets Shamans!!!  Alliance has Paladins!!!&#8230;. Should have left that alone&#8230;  Now, everyone can be everything, and Blizzard takes an old Black and White photo &#8230;.. Cleans it up, colors it, and calls it &#8220;New and Improved&#8221;.</p>
<p>Nice idea about a &#8220;Queue&#8221; system for Dungeons.   On an entire server full of 80&#8242;s.. No one wanted to run with my level 63 to do Ramps&#8230;  Or Blood Furnace, or run through some &#8220;lesser&#8221; content.   And.. I was tired of the same old quest grind, on the same route as everyone else.  I leveled my toons to 80, and heard about Cataclysm&#8230;  Read the ripping up of the lore, class balancing&#8230;. and essentially&#8230; lost my hope that WoW would avoid the stupidity that Social Engineering (Make everyone the same, so no one feels left out) is the way to go.</p>
<p>No more challenge!!  No more effort!!  Oh!  Here&#8217;s your mount, at level 30 (used to be 40) and your epic mount at 40 (used to be 50).. no.. thats tooo hard for you, lets make it 20 and you can get your epic at 30 now&#8230; And.. all you paladins and warlocks who had to get groups to quest with you to get your Epics&#8230;. that is no longer a problem!!  We give you a SPELL and you can summon now..</p>
<p>Pretty soon&#8230; you want have to know how to get anywhere in the game(s)&#8230; you just have to click on this certain stone, and POOF!  you&#8217;re there!</p>
<p>boring, and only plays on the lazy a$$ immidiate gratification kiddies, who want something for nothing&#8230; who can&#8217;t get up off the game to go let the dogs out, take the trash out.. </p>
<p>Nope.. Seeing Cataclysm, seeing the destruction of the lore and the Class Balancing crap&#8230; I quit playing WoW.  Anything that takes the challenge out, bores me and if its not challenging and takes a little thought and effort&#8230; Well&#8230; I&#8217;m just not that freakin, lazy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Noffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok I see how it is.... no friends to play WoW with huh ????  Im on Shadowmoon if you want to come play....   :-)   Talked to West and Xzan on Winterhoof the other night too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok I see how it is&#8230;. no friends to play WoW with huh ????  Im on Shadowmoon if you want to come play&#8230;.   :-)   Talked to West and Xzan on Winterhoof the other night too.</p>
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