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		<title>By: 90% of everything&#8230; &#171; Bio Break</title>
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		<dc:creator>90% of everything&#8230; &#171; Bio Break</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1, 2009 by Syp    Quick shoutout to Tipa from West Karana, who expounded on an interesting blog post in a recent podcast on No Prisoners, No Mercy.  In it, she takes the position that 90% of MMORPGs [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 1, 2009 by Syp    Quick shoutout to Tipa from West Karana, who expounded on an interesting blog post in a recent podcast on No Prisoners, No Mercy.  In it, she takes the position that 90% of MMORPGs [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Free Realms: Changes for new players &#171; Exploring War Like Worlds.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free Realms: Changes for new players &#171; Exploring War Like Worlds.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]    I came back from holidays and saw this from Tipa. Now it seems I don’t have to worry about playing all, any more, because Free Realms is no longer [...]</description>
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		<title>By: /AFK &#8211; November 8 &#171; Bio Break</title>
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		<dc:creator>/AFK &#8211; November 8 &#171; Bio Break</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tipa re: Free Realms &#8211; &#8220;For every good, original MMO, there are nine that are crap.&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Yarrnath</title>
		<link>http://westkarana.com/index.php/2009/11/04/free-realms-and-sturgeons-law/comment-page-1/#comment-16941</link>
		<dc:creator>Yarrnath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capn John,

Unless I missed it there was never any great outcry from non-paying members for free access to the membership jobs. The membership jobs were all combat ones except for blacksmith, and the combat jobs all play very similar. Ninja is much like Wizard and Archer, while Brawler is very much like Warrior and Medic. The new soccer job I guess is different and perhaps they have some more different jobs on the way. There was hope that as new jobs were added, older membership jobs might be moved to the free section, something that I believe was even mentioned by the devs, at least as something that they might consider.

What SOE has done is completely change the very nature of the game. I will give them credit for at least not screwing over characters made prior to November 1st. But by effectively making sure there will be no more new &quot;free&quot; players, it is now effectively a subscription game, as I seriously doubt many people (adults or kids) will hang around as &quot;free&quot; players buying cash shop items when they can&#039;t go higher than the start of 5 on anything other than Pet Trainer and Card Duelist.

They already made a lot of us with memberships mad by nerfing things left and right, with promises to revisit some of the changes which made the game into a grind and the crafting a net loss, some quests crazy hard, etc... but of course they never did. From the friends I had in game to watching the forums, it looked like many not only canceled their membership, but left entirely. The servers which used to all be fairly busy are now mostly empty, aside from holiday events. There seem to be bursts of new players now and then and few old timers (at least on the forums).

The strange thing is, at least of the people I knew, that the non-membership players seemed to be actually spending more money, as they were after adventure job cash shop outfits, pets and glow shards for their Ninja and Brawler gear. I went with the membership and then was going to spend about $5 every month or two on cash shop items. Considering I&#039;m paying only $11.67 a month for Aion (not counting the cost of buying the initial box), Free Realms doesn&#039;t seem like a very good value now. If they had kept the game casual and fun like it was at first, that would have been different. But why grind for hours with little to show for it in FR when that same time spent in most other games actually gets you something in return. Nerfing the amount of gold you get in FR really sucked most of the fun out of it, as they left the high prices for end game stuff at the same level.

But I guess SOE is only interested in rich kids that will spend a bundle of their parent&#039;s money for a few months and then move on. Perhaps the original business plan wasn&#039;t working, but totally ignoring the player base you already have, even driving them off, then changing the very nature of the game doesn&#039;t seem like a good idea. Perhaps the new plan will work, I don&#039;t know. I&#039;ll just spend a few minutes each day trying to finish my collections or perhaps do a quest now and then, at least until they eventually kick non-members off entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capn John,</p>
<p>Unless I missed it there was never any great outcry from non-paying members for free access to the membership jobs. The membership jobs were all combat ones except for blacksmith, and the combat jobs all play very similar. Ninja is much like Wizard and Archer, while Brawler is very much like Warrior and Medic. The new soccer job I guess is different and perhaps they have some more different jobs on the way. There was hope that as new jobs were added, older membership jobs might be moved to the free section, something that I believe was even mentioned by the devs, at least as something that they might consider.</p>
<p>What SOE has done is completely change the very nature of the game. I will give them credit for at least not screwing over characters made prior to November 1st. But by effectively making sure there will be no more new &#8220;free&#8221; players, it is now effectively a subscription game, as I seriously doubt many people (adults or kids) will hang around as &#8220;free&#8221; players buying cash shop items when they can&#8217;t go higher than the start of 5 on anything other than Pet Trainer and Card Duelist.</p>
<p>They already made a lot of us with memberships mad by nerfing things left and right, with promises to revisit some of the changes which made the game into a grind and the crafting a net loss, some quests crazy hard, etc&#8230; but of course they never did. From the friends I had in game to watching the forums, it looked like many not only canceled their membership, but left entirely. The servers which used to all be fairly busy are now mostly empty, aside from holiday events. There seem to be bursts of new players now and then and few old timers (at least on the forums).</p>
<p>The strange thing is, at least of the people I knew, that the non-membership players seemed to be actually spending more money, as they were after adventure job cash shop outfits, pets and glow shards for their Ninja and Brawler gear. I went with the membership and then was going to spend about $5 every month or two on cash shop items. Considering I&#8217;m paying only $11.67 a month for Aion (not counting the cost of buying the initial box), Free Realms doesn&#8217;t seem like a very good value now. If they had kept the game casual and fun like it was at first, that would have been different. But why grind for hours with little to show for it in FR when that same time spent in most other games actually gets you something in return. Nerfing the amount of gold you get in FR really sucked most of the fun out of it, as they left the high prices for end game stuff at the same level.</p>
<p>But I guess SOE is only interested in rich kids that will spend a bundle of their parent&#8217;s money for a few months and then move on. Perhaps the original business plan wasn&#8217;t working, but totally ignoring the player base you already have, even driving them off, then changing the very nature of the game doesn&#8217;t seem like a good idea. Perhaps the new plan will work, I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;ll just spend a few minutes each day trying to finish my collections or perhaps do a quest now and then, at least until they eventually kick non-members off entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Capn John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capn John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allow me to play Devil&#039;s Advocate &gt;:)

&lt;B&gt;&quot;Creative Director Laralyn McWilliams insists this was a change players asked for.&quot;&lt;/B&gt;
which Tipa responded with, &lt;I&gt;&quot;Was there really a great outcry from Free Realms players to make the game not be free any more?&quot;&lt;/I&gt;

I think you&#039;re misinterpreting what McWilliams is saying. To me it appears McWilliams is saying the players wanted to be able to experience ALL of the jobs (classes) as, IIRC, up until this point in time players who did NOT subscribe could not experience ALL of the jobs, i.e., there were several jobs that you could only access IF you subscribed.

What Sony did was open up ALL of the jobs to ALL players but they added a level cap to the non-paying players.

In WoW terms this would be like giving a Vanilla WoW player access to Blood Elves and Dranei but only letting them play to level 10. They already do something similar to this with their Trial Account; for 2 weeks you can play any Vanilla race/class but only to level 20. Wizard 101 gives you access to all Schools while limiting you to level 10 (you&#039;re also restricted to certain streets within Wizard City). In DDO you can advance to level 4 (IIRC) but then need to find leveling sigils to get further into the game (unless you buy them from the DDO Store). You also cannot access certain content unless you buy the packets from the Store.

IMO Sony didn&#039;t change Free Realms to a subscription-only game because it never was a true Free 2 Play game; like W101 it&#039;s always been a subscription game which still allowed non-paying Players to have limited access to the game&#039;s content. What Sony did was change the content that was accessible to non-paying players. They can now access ALL jobs, something they could not previously do, but the upper levels quests to which they previously had access are now off limits.

What the non-paying Players were asking for was access to ALL Jobs. Sony heard their cry and granted their wish, but at what cost? Be careful what you wish for, or you just might get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allow me to play Devil&#8217;s Advocate &gt;:)</p>
<p><b>&#8220;Creative Director Laralyn McWilliams insists this was a change players asked for.&#8221;</b><br />
which Tipa responded with, <i>&#8220;Was there really a great outcry from Free Realms players to make the game not be free any more?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re misinterpreting what McWilliams is saying. To me it appears McWilliams is saying the players wanted to be able to experience ALL of the jobs (classes) as, IIRC, up until this point in time players who did NOT subscribe could not experience ALL of the jobs, i.e., there were several jobs that you could only access IF you subscribed.</p>
<p>What Sony did was open up ALL of the jobs to ALL players but they added a level cap to the non-paying players.</p>
<p>In WoW terms this would be like giving a Vanilla WoW player access to Blood Elves and Dranei but only letting them play to level 10. They already do something similar to this with their Trial Account; for 2 weeks you can play any Vanilla race/class but only to level 20. Wizard 101 gives you access to all Schools while limiting you to level 10 (you&#8217;re also restricted to certain streets within Wizard City). In DDO you can advance to level 4 (IIRC) but then need to find leveling sigils to get further into the game (unless you buy them from the DDO Store). You also cannot access certain content unless you buy the packets from the Store.</p>
<p>IMO Sony didn&#8217;t change Free Realms to a subscription-only game because it never was a true Free 2 Play game; like W101 it&#8217;s always been a subscription game which still allowed non-paying Players to have limited access to the game&#8217;s content. What Sony did was change the content that was accessible to non-paying players. They can now access ALL jobs, something they could not previously do, but the upper levels quests to which they previously had access are now off limits.</p>
<p>What the non-paying Players were asking for was access to ALL Jobs. Sony heard their cry and granted their wish, but at what cost? Be careful what you wish for, or you just might get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Green Armadillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Armadillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess is that players who leveled past 5 without subscribing were very unlikely to ever buy anything, subscription or item shop transaction.  If the amount of revenue from this crowd is small enough, even a handful of additional subscriptions becomes a win for SOE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is that players who leveled past 5 without subscribing were very unlikely to ever buy anything, subscription or item shop transaction.  If the amount of revenue from this crowd is small enough, even a handful of additional subscriptions becomes a win for SOE.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toldain, that&#039;s not the only difference.  Content pack sales (like W101&#039;s Access Passes) are a significant deviation from the subscription mindset (firmly into GW territory, actually).  That&#039;s pulling in some good money, rightfully so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toldain, that&#8217;s not the only difference.  Content pack sales (like W101&#8242;s Access Passes) are a significant deviation from the subscription mindset (firmly into GW territory, actually).  That&#8217;s pulling in some good money, rightfully so.</p>
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		<title>By: Toldain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toldain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like the behavior of a company hard hit by the recession, which has discovered that it has a non-functional business model.  In short, a desperation move.   I can&#039;t believe they don&#039;t understand the potential downside.   But I&#039;m guessing that they have discovered that they are losing money with Free Realms, and are frantically trying to fix it.   

I have heard from insiders the D&amp;D Online now makes MORE money from its F2P model than it did with subscriptions.   So what&#039;s the difference?   Marketing to adults, who have spare cash?  People probably are much better at saying &quot;no&quot; to their kids than to themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like the behavior of a company hard hit by the recession, which has discovered that it has a non-functional business model.  In short, a desperation move.   I can&#8217;t believe they don&#8217;t understand the potential downside.   But I&#8217;m guessing that they have discovered that they are losing money with Free Realms, and are frantically trying to fix it.   </p>
<p>I have heard from insiders the D&amp;D Online now makes MORE money from its F2P model than it did with subscriptions.   So what&#8217;s the difference?   Marketing to adults, who have spare cash?  People probably are much better at saying &#8220;no&#8221; to their kids than to themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Randomessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randomessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty shocked by this change in policy - fans critical of the Free Realms model already had so little goodwill towards SOE that I can&#039;t see going &quot;freemium&quot; as anything but a shot to the foot. I was keeping Free Realms around to go back to from time to time when new updates were added, but why bother now, if I can barely do anything more for free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty shocked by this change in policy &#8211; fans critical of the Free Realms model already had so little goodwill towards SOE that I can&#8217;t see going &#8220;freemium&#8221; as anything but a shot to the foot. I was keeping Free Realms around to go back to from time to time when new updates were added, but why bother now, if I can barely do anything more for free?</p>
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		<title>By: Yarrnath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yarrnath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SOE has been doing everything they can to turn this once fun little casual game into nothing more than a quick cash grab. I have been playing since beta and almost everything they have done to the game has been negative. Item values nerfed to make them worthless. Crafting destroyed, grind massively increased.... all to force you to buy cash shop items, very OVERPRICED cash shop items I might add. As I said in the comments on Massively, I don&#039;t mind spending money on games, in FR I bought pets, outfits, etc., but I&#039;m done giving Sony any money... ever! And that means I won&#039;t be playing DC Universe now.. way to go SOE!

Shame such a fun little game has been ruined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SOE has been doing everything they can to turn this once fun little casual game into nothing more than a quick cash grab. I have been playing since beta and almost everything they have done to the game has been negative. Item values nerfed to make them worthless. Crafting destroyed, grind massively increased&#8230;. all to force you to buy cash shop items, very OVERPRICED cash shop items I might add. As I said in the comments on Massively, I don&#8217;t mind spending money on games, in FR I bought pets, outfits, etc., but I&#8217;m done giving Sony any money&#8230; ever! And that means I won&#8217;t be playing DC Universe now.. way to go SOE!</p>
<p>Shame such a fun little game has been ruined.</p>
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