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	<title>Comments on: Daily Blogroll 6/4 &#8212; Get off my lawn edition</title>
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		<title>By: Bhagpuss</title>
		<link>http://westkarana.com/index.php/2009/06/04/daily-blogroll-64-get-off-my-lawn-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-14378</link>
		<dc:creator>Bhagpuss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lars says:
June 4, 2009 at 6:29 pm

Fully voiced? What’s the point. 99% of the player base will just hit escape and cut it short. &quot;

From Sanya Weathers&#039; recent article on MMORPG.com, apparently more players do wait for voiced quest dialog to play out than stop to read it. I guess she&#039;s been in a position to see the metrics.

For me, it really depends on the quality of the voice acting. EQ2 had pretty much full voice acting at launch, but to an English ear most of the accents were so embarassingly bad that I couldn&#039;t in good conscience hear them out. Eventually I got used to them and in the end found them quite endearing, but I would certaibnly never have pegged them as an incentive to play.

In Wizard 101, however, I do listen to most of the voiceovers unless I am in a real rush. They are sometimes bland, but always very professionally done and there are some interesting, subtle ironies in tone. They do sound like the work of a very small company of voice actors, though.

Oddly, my favorite MMO voice acting is in Vanguard, where NPC voice is limited to background comments. Apparently these were done by the devs and friends-and-family, but they are gorgeously understated and often quite zen. I have a particular fondness for the Qalia merchants who greet you with &quot;Always pray for rain&quot;. It&#039;s the pause between &quot;always&quot; and &quot;pray&quot; that really makes that one sing.

Anyway, whether or not SWtOR is the first, based on my memory of Baldur&#039;s Gate I am happy to believe it will be the best, and best always trumps first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lars says:<br />
June 4, 2009 at 6:29 pm</p>
<p>Fully voiced? What’s the point. 99% of the player base will just hit escape and cut it short. &#8221;</p>
<p>From Sanya Weathers&#8217; recent article on MMORPG.com, apparently more players do wait for voiced quest dialog to play out than stop to read it. I guess she&#8217;s been in a position to see the metrics.</p>
<p>For me, it really depends on the quality of the voice acting. EQ2 had pretty much full voice acting at launch, but to an English ear most of the accents were so embarassingly bad that I couldn&#8217;t in good conscience hear them out. Eventually I got used to them and in the end found them quite endearing, but I would certaibnly never have pegged them as an incentive to play.</p>
<p>In Wizard 101, however, I do listen to most of the voiceovers unless I am in a real rush. They are sometimes bland, but always very professionally done and there are some interesting, subtle ironies in tone. They do sound like the work of a very small company of voice actors, though.</p>
<p>Oddly, my favorite MMO voice acting is in Vanguard, where NPC voice is limited to background comments. Apparently these were done by the devs and friends-and-family, but they are gorgeously understated and often quite zen. I have a particular fondness for the Qalia merchants who greet you with &#8220;Always pray for rain&#8221;. It&#8217;s the pause between &#8220;always&#8221; and &#8220;pray&#8221; that really makes that one sing.</p>
<p>Anyway, whether or not SWtOR is the first, based on my memory of Baldur&#8217;s Gate I am happy to believe it will be the best, and best always trumps first.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me silly, but I am way more excited about FFXIV than I should be.  FFXI was the first MMO I played for any decent amount after EQ started to fade for me.  In fact, FFXI is probably the closest thing we have to old school EQ these days ... at least in some ways.  Both have/had nearly forced grouping to make any progress in levels, both had steep death penalties, both had a player base where knowing your job and &quot;how to play&quot; was nigh a requirement, etc.

I have played WoW to death now and I have finally come to the realization the social aspects of MMOs are hurt by being able to solo through the game.  Although forced grouping makes it hard to play casually, which is important these days.  I think the answer is to make it rewarding to group.  If you CAN solo in a reasonable amount of time, people will.  However, if soloing is painful, and only something you resort to when you can&#039;t group, I think that might be a decent solution.

All of that being said, I hope that FFXIV at least tries to find this balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me silly, but I am way more excited about FFXIV than I should be.  FFXI was the first MMO I played for any decent amount after EQ started to fade for me.  In fact, FFXI is probably the closest thing we have to old school EQ these days &#8230; at least in some ways.  Both have/had nearly forced grouping to make any progress in levels, both had steep death penalties, both had a player base where knowing your job and &#8220;how to play&#8221; was nigh a requirement, etc.</p>
<p>I have played WoW to death now and I have finally come to the realization the social aspects of MMOs are hurt by being able to solo through the game.  Although forced grouping makes it hard to play casually, which is important these days.  I think the answer is to make it rewarding to group.  If you CAN solo in a reasonable amount of time, people will.  However, if soloing is painful, and only something you resort to when you can&#8217;t group, I think that might be a decent solution.</p>
<p>All of that being said, I hope that FFXIV at least tries to find this balance.</p>
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		<title>By: Ogrebears</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ogrebears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think i am going to break down and buy Sim 3 now...</description>
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		<title>By: Tipa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They moved the voiceovers to the optional voice packs afaik, but yeah, I appreciate the little flavor text from the NPCs, but I can read a quest way faster than an NPC can tell it to me.

And the same will be true of SWTOR. Unless they force me to listen to it, I probably won&#039;t unless it is an important quest.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They moved the voiceovers to the optional voice packs afaik, but yeah, I appreciate the little flavor text from the NPCs, but I can read a quest way faster than an NPC can tell it to me.</p>
<p>And the same will be true of SWTOR. Unless they force me to listen to it, I probably won&#8217;t unless it is an important quest.</p>
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		<title>By: Lars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fully voiced?  What&#039;s the point.  99% of the player base will just hit escape and cut it short.  Plus it would slow down the release of new content.  

EQ2 was supposed to be fully voiced but nowadays voiceovers are pretty rare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fully voiced?  What&#8217;s the point.  99% of the player base will just hit escape and cut it short.  Plus it would slow down the release of new content.  </p>
<p>EQ2 was supposed to be fully voiced but nowadays voiceovers are pretty rare.</p>
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		<title>By: Graktar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graktar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SW:TOR is the first FULLY voiced MMO because not only is everything the NPCs say voiced (not just quest text), but player responses are also voiced.  Remember that this is more like KotOR than WoW, players will make choices when interacting with NPCs and their choices will be voiced.  That&#039;s what they&#039;re talking about.

Now, I usually play with the sound off anyway to avoid annoying the missus, so . . . *shrug*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SW:TOR is the first FULLY voiced MMO because not only is everything the NPCs say voiced (not just quest text), but player responses are also voiced.  Remember that this is more like KotOR than WoW, players will make choices when interacting with NPCs and their choices will be voiced.  That&#8217;s what they&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>Now, I usually play with the sound off anyway to avoid annoying the missus, so . . . *shrug*</p>
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		<title>By: We Fly Spitfires</title>
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		<dc:creator>We Fly Spitfires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Firefly Sims house just cracked me up :) Thanks for the link.

When I played the original Sims I made a Buffy: The Vampire Slayer house. I know, I know, but I was still a teenager...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Firefly Sims house just cracked me up :) Thanks for the link.</p>
<p>When I played the original Sims I made a Buffy: The Vampire Slayer house. I know, I know, but I was still a teenager&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Green Armadillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Armadillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoth Tipa: &quot;more like EQ2 (you can solo, but you’ll be wishing you were in a group)&quot;

I just hit level 64 on my main without ever joining a group.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever been left sitting around wishing I was in a group, though I&#039;ll concede that my visit to the KOS expansion areas was short, brutal and painful.  Gotta love it when the second quest on the &quot;solo&quot; timeline is flagged heroic because it sends you to an area where it takes extreme care not to be swarmed by half a dozen heroic Gazers.  I don&#039;t see how anyone can solo that thing without stealth/invis.  

(Ironically, my level 13 Sarnak Warden has joined a group twice, once to share credit on a named quest mob respawn and once for a guided tour of how not to get ganked by guards on the way to our Qeynos guild hall.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoth Tipa: &#8220;more like EQ2 (you can solo, but you’ll be wishing you were in a group)&#8221;</p>
<p>I just hit level 64 on my main without ever joining a group.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever been left sitting around wishing I was in a group, though I&#8217;ll concede that my visit to the KOS expansion areas was short, brutal and painful.  Gotta love it when the second quest on the &#8220;solo&#8221; timeline is flagged heroic because it sends you to an area where it takes extreme care not to be swarmed by half a dozen heroic Gazers.  I don&#8217;t see how anyone can solo that thing without stealth/invis.  </p>
<p>(Ironically, my level 13 Sarnak Warden has joined a group twice, once to share credit on a named quest mob respawn and once for a guided tour of how not to get ganked by guards on the way to our Qeynos guild hall.)</p>
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		<title>By: Syp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I exist for -- to make other people feel less bad about their gaming addictions.

I also made a Captain Picard and BSG&#039;s Boomer.  Picard turned out to be a party animal, who knew?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I exist for &#8212; to make other people feel less bad about their gaming addictions.</p>
<p>I also made a Captain Picard and BSG&#8217;s Boomer.  Picard turned out to be a party animal, who knew?</p>
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		<title>By: Saylah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saylah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had canceled my the Sims 3 pre-order figuring I wouldn&#039;t have time to play. I do however, find myself with an hour here and there to play something and not always wanting it to be EVE.  I&#039;m taking a break from W101 but will keep tinkering in FR when I feel the urge.  So late last night I decided I wanted TS3 and found that it could be purchased for digital download.  Sahweet.  Except that it took about as long as EQ2 to download so I didn&#039;t get to play yet.

I&#039;m NOT happy that once again, it&#039;s just the base game and we&#039;ll be forced to repurchase TS3 versions of expansion content.  How can you go back to playing just the vanilla game when you&#039;ve had seasons (farming &amp; weather), home businesses, pets and hobbies.  AND WHAT THE F is up with them trying to start up micro transactions? Their content is never as good as the custom content developed by the community at large.  Why on earth would I pay EA for their bland designs when I can sub to a custom content website and get awesome things for a flat fee?!?!  EA needs to get a freakin&#039; grip.  Isn&#039;t suckering us into rebuying the expansions over and over and over enough money????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had canceled my the Sims 3 pre-order figuring I wouldn&#8217;t have time to play. I do however, find myself with an hour here and there to play something and not always wanting it to be EVE.  I&#8217;m taking a break from W101 but will keep tinkering in FR when I feel the urge.  So late last night I decided I wanted TS3 and found that it could be purchased for digital download.  Sahweet.  Except that it took about as long as EQ2 to download so I didn&#8217;t get to play yet.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m NOT happy that once again, it&#8217;s just the base game and we&#8217;ll be forced to repurchase TS3 versions of expansion content.  How can you go back to playing just the vanilla game when you&#8217;ve had seasons (farming &amp; weather), home businesses, pets and hobbies.  AND WHAT THE F is up with them trying to start up micro transactions? Their content is never as good as the custom content developed by the community at large.  Why on earth would I pay EA for their bland designs when I can sub to a custom content website and get awesome things for a flat fee?!?!  EA needs to get a freakin&#8217; grip.  Isn&#8217;t suckering us into rebuying the expansions over and over and over enough money????</p>
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