Comments on: EVE Online: A noob in New Eden

By: Denidil

Denidil — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:57:15 +0000

There are several solutions to Can flippers – Here are two of them.

Method 1: Have a Cargohold that is 17199m3 in size [ this setup will run you around 150 mil ISK.. but it will pay for itself]. I use this to semi-afk mine in .7 Amarr space.

[Hulk, Solo Highsec Miner]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Survey Scanner I
‘Anointed’ I EM Ward Reinforcement
Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I
Cap Recharger II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Cargohold Optimization I
Cargohold Optimization I

Hornet I x5
Mining Drone I x5

Here is the other:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndWUlntJ58U
(Hulk pilot fits it for PvP and proceeds to wreak utter havoc on can flippers).

Heh.. you can also just dock up and get a combat frig and hunt them down.. but the OH @#$% suprise of a Hulk fitted to pop them is so much more amusing.

By: Hirvox

Hirvox — Thu, 21 May 2009 13:43:45 +0000

Switching ships is usually the best option, yes. Although Dominix-class battleships for the Gallente do work just fine with just the drone dps.

By: Tipa

Tipa — Thu, 21 May 2009 10:12:31 +0000

So, use one ship to do a mission, and then another to clean up after? Or would the destroyer use drones to do the killing while sucking up the loot?

By: Hirvox

Hirvox — Thu, 21 May 2009 05:26:09 +0000

Just fitting a salvager or two on one of your usual ships is okay, but eventually it’s a good idea to move up to destroyers. With eight high-slots, you can fit several salvagers, a few small tractor beams, an afterburner and some cargohold expanders. A ship fitted like that will clean out even level 3 missions relatively quickly. And while you can’t use a tractor beam on someone else’s wreck, you can salvage those without becoming an outlaw. It’s like being a skinner in World of Warcraft and cleaning up after someone who just kills beasts and leaves the corpses untouched.

By: Tipa

Tipa — Wed, 20 May 2009 21:50:58 +0000

While I do love crafting, I also know that given EVE’s steep, steep skill curve, that it would be weeks or months before I could make things with enough efficiency to compete in the market or even to be cheaper than just simply buying the end product outright. Manufacturing for profit can be a long term goal.

Salvaging, though — yeah I was thinking last night, as I looked over the remains of easily a dozen Serpents, that I should SO be salvaging those wrecks….

By: Ryver

Ryver — Wed, 20 May 2009 14:39:44 +0000

I will agree with the prior poster that if you are mining only for the ISK, then you may want to also look at just salvaging. Within just a few days of starting in EVE, I was able to train to use salvagers. Each time you kill an NPC, fire up your salvager against the wreck. You won’t always get an item, but when I received them in 0.9-0.6 space, they prices would easily range from 10 ISK to 300k ISK. Most of the time on the Epic Arc, I would make more money from salvaging the wrecks that I did for completing the quest (~100k ISK / quest).

If nothing else, it’s a less aggrevating way to make ISK. Of course, you enjoy crafting in other games, so if you are mining to also craft and use/sell those, then mining may be for you :)

By: Tipa

Tipa — Wed, 20 May 2009 12:11:21 +0000

I would LOVE to get some payback on the flippers. Got flipped twice last night. The second one just silently swooped up and took my can. But the FIRST, ah, the first thought I was an idiot. He came up to me while I was fighting an NPC rat with drones while selecting asteroids for mining, and hung around awhile, then he flipped the wreck and left. I was kinda dubious but started mining. He came back about half a minute later when I had just one load in the can, so I took off. Then he started sending me messages saying the wreck had an Expanded Cargohold II in it and he wanted to give it to me.

I told him I may be a noob, but I’m not THAT much of a noob. I undocked — he was hanging around RIGHT outside the station. I went to another system.

By: Hirvox

Hirvox — Wed, 20 May 2009 12:05:42 +0000

Jet can flipping is an artifact of CCP’s “let players sort it out with free-for-all pvp” philosophy. Here’s how it works:
1) Miner puts stuff in a jetcan
2) Flipper arrives, jettisons a item into his own can
3) Flipper opens the miner’s can and moves everything in the miner’s can to his own can. With the miner’s can empty, it disintegrates. Because the flipper just committed theft, he is flagged for 15 minutes.
4) Flipper renames his can to have the name the miner’s can has
5) Miner takes stuff from the flipper’s can, accidentally committing theft himself and thus flagging himself as a valid target for the flipper.
6) Flipper destroys the miner.

It’s crucial to understand how it works, because there’s countermeasures that rely on it.
First, flagging as a valid target is corporation-wide. You can have a corpmate standing by in a combat ship. As soon as the flipper touches the miner’s can, the corpmate can vaporize him. As long as the miner himself doesn’t touch the can, any attempt to attack him would result in a swift retribution by CONCORD. Once the enemy has been dispatched, the combat pilot can flip the can back without endangering the miner. If you don’t have a corpmate in a decent combat ship available, a throwaway alt in a newbie ship can fulfill the same role. Just flip the can with the alt and steal the ore back from your him. He won’t mind. And even if the flipper attacks your alt, you’ll only lose the newbie ship, which you can get back simply by returning to the station.

By: wilhelm2451

wilhelm2451 — Tue, 19 May 2009 20:10:01 +0000

I have found that the system you are in usually dictates the amount of grief you get. If you are in a system that attracts people… a system that is a sales hub, an agent/mission hub, or that sparklie things that bring people together, your potential to get griefed goes up. Finding a low population system with little going for it can often allow you to mine in peace. Of course, then you have to haul your ore or minerals someplace to sell them to get the best price usually.

Back when I was climbing the ladder to mining success, I found I was getting flipped quite a bit in one system that had a generous amount of Caldari Navy agents, but that just one jump over there was a system that was equally viable for mining purposes yet was almost always empty.

Of course, I eventually solved most of my can flipping problems by getting a second account so I could run a miner and a hauler together.

By: JC

JC — Tue, 19 May 2009 16:16:18 +0000

If you can find a friend willing to sit with you while you mine, you can also toss your stuff in a jetcan, have them immediately grab it and put it into their hauler, and then they can trade it to you or contract it to you back at your station.

Or there’s the ever popular “put a miner on your hauler and go afk for an hour while it sloooooowly fills up” thing ;-)

I wouldn’t do that, though — invitation to a suicide gank right there.

Retriever’s a good mining platform. If you choose that route, that will be a big boon to you.

For myself, I trained to destroyers and ran a bunch of level 1 missions in them. I also trained salvaging, and by the time I was able to do level 2 missions, I had more than enough for a cruiser, and I converted my dessie into a pure salvage platform. And by the time I could do level 3 missions I could fly a BC also… though it took another 2 weeks before I could really tank it well.

Thing was, though… all the tanking skills for the BC applied to a BS also, so by the time I was ready for Level 4′s all I needed for a BS was to train the bigger weapons.

So… I’m living proof that you don’t need to mine as a noob to make money in EVE.

Also, I don’t know where your interests are, but if you do want to go a-pirating or whatever, you’re better off training Gallente Frigate to at least 4, train some ewar skills so you can web and scramble a target, and then see about joining a corp that does pvp. They generally will reimburse ship losses done on corp ops and everyone needs tacklers. And since it only takes a few days to be able to tackle, you can get into pvp right off if you want.

If you want to stay in hi-sec while more skills train and such… mining can be ok, but IMO it’s really boring. I’d rather run missions or do trade than mine, but of course ymmv.