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	<title>Comments on: Daily Blogroll 5/6 &#8212; Tempests and Teapots edition</title>
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		<title>By: Firestorm &#171; Shadow WAR&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://westkarana.com/index.php/2009/05/06/daily-blogroll-56-tempests-and-teapots-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-13869</link>
		<dc:creator>Firestorm &#171; Shadow WAR&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 14:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 0&#160;Comments   Categories: General Gaming Tags: Drama       Well, everyone and their sister is talking about the fiasco between Aventurine and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kasul</title>
		<link>http://westkarana.com/index.php/2009/05/06/daily-blogroll-56-tempests-and-teapots-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-13836</link>
		<dc:creator>Kasul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed Spinks, the folks on the Darkfall forums don&#039;t seem to realize the purpose of a review... and I think that is to give people who are looking for one month or two months of play to get their money&#039;s worth out of a retail box an idea of what they&#039;ll be getting into. I think if the reviewer hadn&#039;t been so condescending and hostile to the game&#039;s design and graphics they&#039;d probably be loving this review, as the gameplay explanations are exactly what they all enjoy about the game. But they can&#039;t call the reviewer a noob and a carebear when he attacks the game instead of the gameplay.

Kudos to the Eurogamers editor for the way they&#039;re handling it though. Two important things in that written response: 1. the editor stands behind his reviewer 100% and refuses to print a retraction and 2. rather than telling the original reviewer to walk the coals and re-review the game, making a public spectacle of his contributor, he is bringing in a big name to give it a fair review from another perspective.

The Social D mention up there was appreciated Tipa, great band! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed Spinks, the folks on the Darkfall forums don&#8217;t seem to realize the purpose of a review&#8230; and I think that is to give people who are looking for one month or two months of play to get their money&#8217;s worth out of a retail box an idea of what they&#8217;ll be getting into. I think if the reviewer hadn&#8217;t been so condescending and hostile to the game&#8217;s design and graphics they&#8217;d probably be loving this review, as the gameplay explanations are exactly what they all enjoy about the game. But they can&#8217;t call the reviewer a noob and a carebear when he attacks the game instead of the gameplay.</p>
<p>Kudos to the Eurogamers editor for the way they&#8217;re handling it though. Two important things in that written response: 1. the editor stands behind his reviewer 100% and refuses to print a retraction and 2. rather than telling the original reviewer to walk the coals and re-review the game, making a public spectacle of his contributor, he is bringing in a big name to give it a fair review from another perspective.</p>
<p>The Social D mention up there was appreciated Tipa, great band! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Spinks</title>
		<link>http://westkarana.com/index.php/2009/05/06/daily-blogroll-56-tempests-and-teapots-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-13835</link>
		<dc:creator>Spinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think 9 hours is plenty of play in which to review an MMO. (Yeah, I know the eurogamer guy didn&#039;t and lying about it was silly.) I don&#039;t think I played Free Realms for 9 hours before I reviewed it, and I know I&#039;m not a pro but I&#039;d happily stand by my review.

I&#039;m not expecting a detailed review of the endgame. I just need to know if it&#039;s worth my while paying for a month to make up my own mind. So I expect to  learn what the heart of the game is about, how it plays, what the good and bad points are, and who the typical fan might be. Don&#039;t need to be told if I&#039;ll still want to play in 6 months time, no reviewer can know that.

I do think blogs/ ongoing reviews are pretty big for MMOs, but you don&#039;t need that much info to decide whether or not to try it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think 9 hours is plenty of play in which to review an MMO. (Yeah, I know the eurogamer guy didn&#8217;t and lying about it was silly.) I don&#8217;t think I played Free Realms for 9 hours before I reviewed it, and I know I&#8217;m not a pro but I&#8217;d happily stand by my review.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not expecting a detailed review of the endgame. I just need to know if it&#8217;s worth my while paying for a month to make up my own mind. So I expect to  learn what the heart of the game is about, how it plays, what the good and bad points are, and who the typical fan might be. Don&#8217;t need to be told if I&#8217;ll still want to play in 6 months time, no reviewer can know that.</p>
<p>I do think blogs/ ongoing reviews are pretty big for MMOs, but you don&#8217;t need that much info to decide whether or not to try it.</p>
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		<title>By: Green Armadillo</title>
		<link>http://westkarana.com/index.php/2009/05/06/daily-blogroll-56-tempests-and-teapots-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-13833</link>
		<dc:creator>Green Armadillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently V has been purple, glowy, and possibly evil for 20 minutes now, so the 10 minutes to finish casting the spell should easily be another dozen strips.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently V has been purple, glowy, and possibly evil for 20 minutes now, so the 10 minutes to finish casting the spell should easily be another dozen strips.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: mbp</title>
		<link>http://westkarana.com/index.php/2009/05/06/daily-blogroll-56-tempests-and-teapots-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-13832</link>
		<dc:creator>mbp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 14:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Eurogamer / Darkfall issue is getting clouded by the very strong feelings that the game itself seems to generate. People, many of whom have never even played the game seem  love it or hate it with an unbridled passion and that appears to be colouring their response to the debate.

Cutting away all the fanboy / anti fanboy rant is a very simple issue. Aventurine claim that a reviewer only spent minutes in their game  before writing a review. If that is true the review is a fraud. The reviewer on the other hand claims to have spent nine hours in the game. Nine hours is not nearly enough to give a thorough overview of an mmorpg but it is enough to get an impression of the new player experience. If the reviewer is telling the truth then we (and Aventurine) need to accept that in his opinion the new player experience of Darkfall is just that bad.

You make a very valid point about the difficulty of reviewing an MMORPG at all. Perhaps the solution is to accept that every early review of an mmorpg cannot be anything more than an  impression of the new player experience and for reviewer to admit as much in their writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Eurogamer / Darkfall issue is getting clouded by the very strong feelings that the game itself seems to generate. People, many of whom have never even played the game seem  love it or hate it with an unbridled passion and that appears to be colouring their response to the debate.</p>
<p>Cutting away all the fanboy / anti fanboy rant is a very simple issue. Aventurine claim that a reviewer only spent minutes in their game  before writing a review. If that is true the review is a fraud. The reviewer on the other hand claims to have spent nine hours in the game. Nine hours is not nearly enough to give a thorough overview of an mmorpg but it is enough to get an impression of the new player experience. If the reviewer is telling the truth then we (and Aventurine) need to accept that in his opinion the new player experience of Darkfall is just that bad.</p>
<p>You make a very valid point about the difficulty of reviewing an MMORPG at all. Perhaps the solution is to accept that every early review of an mmorpg cannot be anything more than an  impression of the new player experience and for reviewer to admit as much in their writing.</p>
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		<title>By: openedge1</title>
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		<dc:creator>openedge1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 13:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What really disappoints me is I did not get a chance to bad mouth Darkfall during the review debacle...DANGIT.

Let me say it this way...

I have two games in my hand...Darkfall and LOTRO.

I would instantly subscribe to LOTRO for a year!

Nuff&#039; said</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really disappoints me is I did not get a chance to bad mouth Darkfall during the review debacle&#8230;DANGIT.</p>
<p>Let me say it this way&#8230;</p>
<p>I have two games in my hand&#8230;Darkfall and LOTRO.</p>
<p>I would instantly subscribe to LOTRO for a year!</p>
<p>Nuff&#8217; said</p>
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